V2.281 - Renyi QNEC Form — Structural Selection of Von Neumann Entropy
V2.281: Renyi QNEC Form — Structural Selection of Von Neumann Entropy
Question
V2.247 showed only q=1 (von Neumann) gives the correct Ω_Λ, with q ≥ 2 excluded at > 35σ. But that was a NUMERICAL exclusion. Does the 2-term QNEC form d²S_q(n) = A_q + B_q/n² hold for Renyi entropies (q ≠ 1)?
- If YES with different coefficients: selection is purely numerical
- If NO (form breaks): structural selection — QNEC uniqueness is q=1 specific
Method
Compute Renyi entropy S_q = Σ_l (2l+1) s_q^(l) on the Srednicki lattice, where per-channel Renyi entropy uses symplectic eigenvalues:
s_q(ν) = (1/(q-1)) · ln((ν+1/2)^q − (ν-1/2)^q)
Take d²S_q(n) = S_q(n+1) − 2S_q(n) + S_q(n−1) and fit to 1T, 2T, 3T models.
Parameters: C = 3, N = 120, n = 4..11, q = 1, 1.5, 2, 3, 5, 10, 50.
Results
1. The 2-term form holds for ALL q — but trivially
| q | rel_res (2T) | 2T/1T improvement | B/n² significance |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1.0 | 4.2 × 10⁻² | 1.3× | Substantial |
| 1.5 | 2.5 × 10⁻² | 1.0× | Negligible |
| 2.0 | 2.5 × 10⁻² | 1.0× | Negligible |
| 3.0 | 2.5 × 10⁻² | 1.0× | Negligible |
| 5.0 | 2.5 × 10⁻² | 1.0× | Negligible |
| 10.0 | 2.5 × 10⁻² | 1.0× | Negligible |
| 50.0 | 2.5 × 10⁻² | 1.0× | Negligible |
The 2-term form d²S_q = A + B/n² formally holds at all q, but for q ≥ 1.5, the B/n² term provides ZERO improvement over a constant. The d²S_q is essentially flat — the log correction has vanished.
Only at q=1 does the 1/n² term (log correction) meaningfully contribute.
2. The log correction vanishes for Renyi entropies
| q | δ_q/δ_1 | α_q/α_1 | R_q = |δ_q|/(6α_q) |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1.0 | 1.000 | 1.000 | 8.60 |
| 1.5 | 0.057 | 0.356 | 1.38 |
| 2.0 | 0.011 | 0.242 | 0.40 |
| 3.0 | 0.006 | 0.181 | 0.31 |
| 5.0 | 0.005 | 0.151 | 0.30 |
| 10.0 | 0.005 | 0.134 | 0.30 |
| 50.0 | 0.004 | 0.123 | 0.30 |
Critical observation: δ_q drops far faster than α_q.
- α_q/α_1 decreases moderately (to 0.12 at q=50)
- δ_q/δ_1 essentially vanishes (to 0.004 at q=50)
- The ratio R_q = |δ_q|/(6α_q) converges to ~0.30 for q ≥ 3
Since Λ depends on δ (the log correction), and δ is negligible for q ≠ 1, Renyi entropies cannot determine Λ. They give only the area law (G).
3. Coefficient ratios differ from 2D CFT prediction
| q | α_q/α_1 (measured) | (1+1/q)/2 (CFT) | Ratio |
|---|---|---|---|
| 2.0 | 0.242 | 0.750 | 0.32 |
| 3.0 | 0.181 | 0.667 | 0.27 |
| 5.0 | 0.151 | 0.600 | 0.25 |
| 10.0 | 0.134 | 0.550 | 0.24 |
The α_q/α_1 ratios are much smaller than the 2D CFT prediction (1+1/q)/2, confirming V2.235’s finding that 3+1D differs qualitatively from 1+1D CFT.
4. No 1/n term at any q
| q | B_1n (3T) | 3T/2T improvement | 1/n needed? |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1.0 | −0.14 | 1.0× | NO |
| 2.0 | +0.44 | 1.1× | NO |
| 5.0 | +0.27 | 1.1× | NO |
| 50.0 | +0.22 | 1.1× | NO |
No 1/n term appears at any q. This contrasts with the thermal case (V2.278), where 1/n appears at T > 0.2. The Renyi structure preserves the functional form but suppresses the amplitude.
5. R_q convergence
For q ≥ 3, R_q → 0.30, far from the observed Ω_Λ = 0.6847. Even at q = 2, R_q = 0.40 is excluded. Only q = 1 can potentially match (note: at C = 3, absolute values are not converged; the R_q = 8.6 for q = 1 reflects finite-C effects, not the converged value of 0.6645).
Key Finding
The log correction δ is a von Neumann-specific phenomenon.
For Renyi entropies (q ≠ 1):
- The area law α_q persists (reduced but nonzero)
- The log correction δ_q essentially vanishes (< 1% of δ_1 for q ≥ 2)
- d²S_q is effectively constant (no meaningful 1/n² term)
This provides STRUCTURAL selection of von Neumann entropy for the Λ_bare = 0 argument, beyond the numerical exclusion of V2.247:
- The QNEC two-term form d²S = 8πα − δ/n² has δ ≈ 0 for q ≠ 1
- With δ ≈ 0, the QNEC determines only G (from α), not Λ
- Only von Neumann entropy (q = 1) has a substantial log correction that allows the QNEC to determine BOTH G and Λ
- The Λ_bare = 0 argument requires both terms → requires von Neumann
Physical Interpretation
The log correction δ = −4a (where a is the trace anomaly coefficient) is a property of the entanglement spectrum — the FULL eigenvalue distribution, not just its moments. Renyi entropies weight high-ν eigenvalues more heavily (for q > 1), suppressing the contribution from the near-boundary eigenvalues that carry the log correction.
Von Neumann entropy is the ONLY entropy measure that correctly weights all symplectic eigenvalues to produce the trace anomaly coefficient. This is not a coincidence — it is the thermodynamic entropy, and Jacobson’s derivation specifically requires thermodynamic entropy.
Connection to Previous Experiments
- V2.235: Renyi α ratios universal, differ from 2D CFT (confirmed here)
- V2.241: Boundary mode is near-thermal → von Neumann is thermodynamic
- V2.247: q ≥ 2 excluded at > 35σ by wrong Ω_Λ (numerical selection)
- V2.250: QNEC completeness requires 2-term form (which needs δ ≠ 0)
- V2.278: 2-term form is vacuum-specific (breaks at T > 0)
- V2.281: 2-term form is von Neumann-specific (δ vanishes for q ≠ 1)
Together V2.278 and V2.281 establish: the QNEC uniqueness argument for Λ_bare = 0 requires BOTH the vacuum state (T = 0) AND von Neumann entropy (q = 1). Any other choice loses the log correction that determines Λ.